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	<title>Comments on: Passing In Male Spaces</title>
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	<description>chomping gender normativity</description>
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		<title>By: DDog</title>
		<link>http://www.gendersaurusrex.com/2009/07/passing-in-male-spaces/comment-page-1/#comment-1400</link>
		<dc:creator>DDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 22:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Being gendered correctly in male spaces is not something I have been granted consistently. And when I am granted that, I tend to be timid, disbelieving, and shy – which seems to perpetuate people’s hesitancy to label my gender. It’s an interesting phenomena, really.&quot;

Same here. Cissexual straight (as far as I know) men make me nervous if I&#039;m ID&#039;d as male, resentful if I&#039;m ID&#039;d as female, and this doesn&#039;t happen as much with cissexual straight (as far as I know) women. I don&#039;t really know why. Perhaps because I only truly came out a few years ago and have to weigh 72% of my life spent identifying as a girl and 82% spent interacting with the world as a girl and only, respectively, 28% identifying as a boy and 18% attempting and sometimes succeeding in interacting with the world as a boy. That&#039;s a pretty big margin in favor of female socialization.

Maybe I want acceptance from males as a male, so I&#039;m nervous their reading of me will change, or resentful that I won&#039;t get it because they see me as female. And have more practice interacting with women as either male or female so I&#039;m not as nervous.

In trans and queer spaces I don&#039;t have much trouble asserting correct pronouns even with straight cissexual (known in this case) allies, and don&#039;t care as much if they are thinking male, female, or tranny.

It is, indeed, a phenomenon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Being gendered correctly in male spaces is not something I have been granted consistently. And when I am granted that, I tend to be timid, disbelieving, and shy – which seems to perpetuate people’s hesitancy to label my gender. It’s an interesting phenomena, really.&#8221;</p>
<p>Same here. Cissexual straight (as far as I know) men make me nervous if I&#8217;m ID&#8217;d as male, resentful if I&#8217;m ID&#8217;d as female, and this doesn&#8217;t happen as much with cissexual straight (as far as I know) women. I don&#8217;t really know why. Perhaps because I only truly came out a few years ago and have to weigh 72% of my life spent identifying as a girl and 82% spent interacting with the world as a girl and only, respectively, 28% identifying as a boy and 18% attempting and sometimes succeeding in interacting with the world as a boy. That&#8217;s a pretty big margin in favor of female socialization.</p>
<p>Maybe I want acceptance from males as a male, so I&#8217;m nervous their reading of me will change, or resentful that I won&#8217;t get it because they see me as female. And have more practice interacting with women as either male or female so I&#8217;m not as nervous.</p>
<p>In trans and queer spaces I don&#8217;t have much trouble asserting correct pronouns even with straight cissexual (known in this case) allies, and don&#8217;t care as much if they are thinking male, female, or tranny.</p>
<p>It is, indeed, a phenomenon.</p>
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		<title>By: emily</title>
		<link>http://www.gendersaurusrex.com/2009/07/passing-in-male-spaces/comment-page-1/#comment-350</link>
		<dc:creator>emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 02:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;ve had the rare, odd experience with this (nobody gave me magic &#039;passing cookies&#039; like they did you, apparently lol), but when it does happen, i get a teeny bit spooked for a moment, sure that i&#039;m going to do something to give myself away (like i&#039;m getting away with something?).  so i understand where you&#039;re coming from...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;ve had the rare, odd experience with this (nobody gave me magic &#8216;passing cookies&#8217; like they did you, apparently lol), but when it does happen, i get a teeny bit spooked for a moment, sure that i&#8217;m going to do something to give myself away (like i&#8217;m getting away with something?).  so i understand where you&#8217;re coming from&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ambivalent academic</title>
		<link>http://www.gendersaurusrex.com/2009/07/passing-in-male-spaces/comment-page-1/#comment-348</link>
		<dc:creator>ambivalent academic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 02:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats on being gendered correctly - may it come more easily to them and may your comfort in this come more easily to you as time goes on.



I was wondering if you could/would say more about masculinity/femininity and some of these other identifier adjectives as they relate to male/female gender presentation...

OK, I&#039;m flying my cis privilege flag here I know. Please don&#039;t feel obligated to respond. In an attempt to educate myself I&#039;ve run across these terms more than once and I&#039;m struggling with the difference between these identifiers:

masculine
butch
macho

I have experienced that these are all stereotypically equated with &quot;male&quot;, but how do they relate to one another? What is the difference, specifically, between them? (Is there a difference?)

I &quot;feel&quot; a difference when I read these words but I can&#039;t articulate it, and I guess what I&#039;m trying to understand is what they mean to someone who uses or recognizes subtleties between them as identifiers in hopes that I can sensitive to those expressions of gender and identity.

PS - Thanks for the link in your blogroll. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats on being gendered correctly &#8211; may it come more easily to them and may your comfort in this come more easily to you as time goes on.</p>
<p>I was wondering if you could/would say more about masculinity/femininity and some of these other identifier adjectives as they relate to male/female gender presentation&#8230;</p>
<p>OK, I&#8217;m flying my cis privilege flag here I know. Please don&#8217;t feel obligated to respond. In an attempt to educate myself I&#8217;ve run across these terms more than once and I&#8217;m struggling with the difference between these identifiers:</p>
<p>masculine<br />
butch<br />
macho</p>
<p>I have experienced that these are all stereotypically equated with &#8220;male&#8221;, but how do they relate to one another? What is the difference, specifically, between them? (Is there a difference?)</p>
<p>I &#8220;feel&#8221; a difference when I read these words but I can&#8217;t articulate it, and I guess what I&#8217;m trying to understand is what they mean to someone who uses or recognizes subtleties between them as identifiers in hopes that I can sensitive to those expressions of gender and identity.</p>
<p>PS &#8211; Thanks for the link in your blogroll. <img src='http://www.gendersaurusrex.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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